I get where you’re coming from, but I think you’re missing the mark on a few things, and I’d like to set the record straight from my side. Let’s go through your points one by one.
You start with 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, saying this “man of lawlessness” has to be some future guy who’s going to sit in God’s temple and exalt himself. I don’t buy that it’s so cut-and-dry. What if this isn’t about one person still to come? I see it more as a symbol—maybe someone like Nero, who butchered Christians and acted like a god, or even a bigger picture, like the corrupt systems that have been running things for ages. Check 1 John 2:18—“many antichrists have come.” To me, that says this spirit’s been loose a long time, fitting right into Satan’s little season. That “temple” bit? I’d argue it’s not about a literal building we’re still waiting for—it’s spiritual, like the church or humanity itself getting twisted up.
Then you say this whole idea—Christ’s reign being done and us being in the little season—messes with clear biblical teaching. I’d flip that around: I think Revelation 20’s more symbolic than you’re letting on. That “thousand years”? It’s not a literal stopwatch. I figure it started with Jesus’ first coming—He bound Satan with the Gospel, like He said in Matthew 12:29—and wrapped up way back, maybe with Jerusalem falling in 70 AD or even later when modern powers kicked in. Jesus Himself said in Matthew 24:34 that “this generation” would see it all. To me, that puts His return and reign in the first century, and now we’re in the little season where Satan’s fogging up the truth. Your future-only lens might be missing what’s already happened.
You also call this view isolating, like it’s some Gnostic or New Age knockoff. That stings a bit—I’m not chasing secret handshakes here. I’m digging into scripture and history, same as you. If anything, I’d say the mainstream church—you included—might be the ones duped by Satan right now, stuck on a futurist track that keeps everyone waiting instead of fighting the deception I see all around us, like in global systems or church sellouts. This isn’t about pulling away; it’s about waking up. Maybe your trust in tradition’s the real distortion here.
On that 70 AD bit—you brush off the idea Christ came back then as baseless. I see it differently. I’m not saying He floated down on a cloud for all to see; I think it was a judgment, like Matthew 24 and Daniel 9 spell out, when Jerusalem got smashed. Early folks like Eusebius saw it that way too. And if history’s quiet about a physical reign, I’d argue that’s Satan’s doing—erasing the tracks of Christ’s rule during this little season. Ever look at those weird “Tartaria” buildings? I wonder if they’re leftovers we’ve been tricked into forgetting.
You also hit on folks saying Jesus is secretly here now or the Millennium was just spiritual, stripping out the physical stuff. I don’t think He’s hiding in a bunker somewhere, but I do think His reign might have happened—maybe physically back then, maybe through the church’s early wins—and Satan’s covered it up since. Could be the Kingdom’s “within you,” like Luke 17:21 says, and we’re missing it by waiting for some big future show. To me, that waiting game’s what lets Satan keep winning while we twiddle our thumbs.
Lastly, you tie this to Gnosticism and Alice Bailey’s New Age stuff. Come on—I’m not channeling spirits or reading occult playbooks. I’m leaning on Revelation 20, Matthew 24, the basics. If there’s a “secret,” it’s not some elite code; it’s truth sitting right there that the establishment’s buried. I’d argue your futurist take might be the heresy, lulling people to sleep while Satan’s running the show.
Look, I’m not here to just dunk on you—I think you’re genuinely worried about deception. But I’d ask you to flip the script: what if Satan’s little season is now, and all this chaos—lies, corruption, confusion—is the proof? What if your push for a future reign’s exactly what he wants, keeping us blind to his current game?
I get where you’re coming from, but I think you’re missing the mark on a few things, and I’d like to set the record straight from my side. Let’s go through your points one by one.
You start with 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, saying this “man of lawlessness” has to be some future guy who’s going to sit in God’s temple and exalt himself. I don’t buy that it’s so cut-and-dry. What if this isn’t about one person still to come? I see it more as a symbol—maybe someone like Nero, who butchered Christians and acted like a god, or even a bigger picture, like the corrupt systems that have been running things for ages. Check 1 John 2:18—“many antichrists have come.” To me, that says this spirit’s been loose a long time, fitting right into Satan’s little season. That “temple” bit? I’d argue it’s not about a literal building we’re still waiting for—it’s spiritual, like the church or humanity itself getting twisted up.
Then you say this whole idea—Christ’s reign being done and us being in the little season—messes with clear biblical teaching. I’d flip that around: I think Revelation 20’s more symbolic than you’re letting on. That “thousand years”? It’s not a literal stopwatch. I figure it started with Jesus’ first coming—He bound Satan with the Gospel, like He said in Matthew 12:29—and wrapped up way back, maybe with Jerusalem falling in 70 AD or even later when modern powers kicked in. Jesus Himself said in Matthew 24:34 that “this generation” would see it all. To me, that puts His return and reign in the first century, and now we’re in the little season where Satan’s fogging up the truth. Your future-only lens might be missing what’s already happened.
You also call this view isolating, like it’s some Gnostic or New Age knockoff. That stings a bit—I’m not chasing secret handshakes here. I’m digging into scripture and history, same as you. If anything, I’d say the mainstream church—you included—might be the ones duped by Satan right now, stuck on a futurist track that keeps everyone waiting instead of fighting the deception I see all around us, like in global systems or church sellouts. This isn’t about pulling away; it’s about waking up. Maybe your trust in tradition’s the real distortion here.
On that 70 AD bit—you brush off the idea Christ came back then as baseless. I see it differently. I’m not saying He floated down on a cloud for all to see; I think it was a judgment, like Matthew 24 and Daniel 9 spell out, when Jerusalem got smashed. Early folks like Eusebius saw it that way too. And if history’s quiet about a physical reign, I’d argue that’s Satan’s doing—erasing the tracks of Christ’s rule during this little season. Ever look at those weird “Tartaria” buildings? I wonder if they’re leftovers we’ve been tricked into forgetting.
You also hit on folks saying Jesus is secretly here now or the Millennium was just spiritual, stripping out the physical stuff. I don’t think He’s hiding in a bunker somewhere, but I do think His reign might have happened—maybe physically back then, maybe through the church’s early wins—and Satan’s covered it up since. Could be the Kingdom’s “within you,” like Luke 17:21 says, and we’re missing it by waiting for some big future show. To me, that waiting game’s what lets Satan keep winning while we twiddle our thumbs.
Lastly, you tie this to Gnosticism and Alice Bailey’s New Age stuff. Come on—I’m not channeling spirits or reading occult playbooks. I’m leaning on Revelation 20, Matthew 24, the basics. If there’s a “secret,” it’s not some elite code; it’s truth sitting right there that the establishment’s buried. I’d argue your futurist take might be the heresy, lulling people to sleep while Satan’s running the show.
Look, I’m not here to just dunk on you—I think you’re genuinely worried about deception. But I’d ask you to flip the script: what if Satan’s little season is now, and all this chaos—lies, corruption, confusion—is the proof? What if your push for a future reign’s exactly what he wants, keeping us blind to his current game?